San Diego, 1974

K: So it is never free. So intellectually I am a slave. Emotionally I become romantic. I become sentimental. And the only escape is sex, where I am free, if the woman or the man agrees, if they are compatible and all the rest of it then it is the only road, only door through which I say, for god's sake, at least I am free here. In the office I am bullied - you follow, sir? - in the factory I just turn the wheels. So this is the only escape for me. The peasant in India, the poor villager in town or in villages, look at them, that is the only thing they have. And religion is something else: I agree we should be celibate, we should be all the rest of it but for god's sake, leave us alone with our pleasures, with our sex. So if that is so, and it looks like that, that we are intellectually, morally, spiritually crippled human beings, degenerate, and this is the only thing that gives us some release, some freedom.

In other fields I have no freedom. I have to go to the office everyday. I have to go to the factory every day. I have to - you follow? - cinema once, three times a week, or whatever it is you do, you've got... and here at last I am a man, woman. So I have made this thing into an enormous affair. And if I am not sexual I have to find out why I am not sexual. I spend years to find out. You follow, sir? Books are written. It has become a nauseating thing, a stupid thing. And we have to also in relation to that, discover, find out what is celibacy. Because they have all talked about it. Every religion has talked about it: that you must be celibate. And they said, Christian religion said, Jesus was born immaculate. You follow? And the Buddhists, I don't know if you ever heard of the story that the Buddha - the mother conceived because she - not out of human relationship, but out of - the same thing. They don't want sex to be associated with a religion. And yet every priest is burning with it. And they said you must be celibate. And they take a vow of celibacy. I told you the story of that poor monk.